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    Quote Originally Posted by Darian View Post
    Well,.... Seems like the Ag water distributors/users are not going to give up until they get what they want. First, the proposed state legislation to remove game fish status from stripers, then the Lawsuit that DFG settled resulting in the proposed changes in regulations increasing limits on Stripers. Now, the same group (Westlands, etc.) has participated in writing the BDCP that includes elimination of predators and non-native species.... All the while receiving massive direct cash subsidies from the feds/state and buying water at below market value. Amazing!!!! Gotta give 'em credit for being persistent, tho....
    It's perhaps safe to say that the country in reaching "maturity" in that there is not much left to privatize..... The BDCP, HR 1837, et. al. are all examples of money spent by an elite group of people hell bent on privatizing the remaining PUBLIC natural resource for their annuity in perpetuity. This is their american dream, except, it's flat out WRONG and our so-called public trust officials and politicians are not interested in protecting water as a public trust resource, but are in on the scam in belief in what they are doing is in the spirit of good business and capitalism. Except they forgot that true Capitalism is only when there is integrity. OOoopss, they forgot about that.....

    WE all know the solution is pretty simple and most I educate daily feel the same way. But, according to good 'ole McClintock, the water issue in CA is "complicated". I've heard him say "complicated" many times at town hall meetings, etc. Well, of course it's complicated when you are facilitating cheating and covering your ass too. Need more examples.... just listen to all the stuttering when both Ds and Rs are asked what they think about the proposed Federal Budget(s). That polished public speaking goes right out the window when their busy covering their arses.

    What bothers many who I have spoken to about all of this is that the BDCP, et. al. is also considered a facilitator for the expected growth of CA by 20 million more people which we all know is completely unsustainable, not just regarding water. So, as a result, we lose our Bay/Delta habitat for irresponsible and unsustainable growth which is also going to cost ($) the state dearly.

    But, at the end of the day, when the Facebooks, Googles, Apples, and Ciscos with all their billions in cash decide to leave CA because they're tired of funding all the CA "welfare", those that are left will still need water...... but it will all be privatized and locked up in a 40+ year contract. It's a real beaut.

    Sorry Darian. I didn't mean to go off on account of your reply. I just wanted to maintain context, Westlands, etc.
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    Question BDCP....

    After reviewing the for planning, organizational structure/funding, etc., I've come to the conclusion that if the plan is implemented, the Delta will cease to exist as we know it. At the highest conceptual level, the water conveyance and related needs will amount to a footprint of about 5,700 acres. At the same time, restoration promises to destroy, then restore 65,000 acres over a 20 year period for a cost of approximately $1.5 billion. I can see it now.... Golf courses on each and every island.

    One of the features appears to be to acquire farmlands behind Delta levees and raise them using dirt from borrow pits (and maybe for what's produced from tunneling). I'm wondering how raising Delta islands to sea level changes the risk of destruction thru potential earthquakes. Wouldn't liquifaction still occur in the peat that makes up the base??? Complicated stuff.
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    Mike-O,

    It is true some of the areas are major bypasses like sutter/tisdale etc... but what about Maxwell... it used to have lot of nice cover and I wouldn't consider that small stretch a major bypass/flood area as it's pretty short in length. They used to leave most of the cover there but the last 4-5 years its been mow it down to nothing philosophy and the hunting went from pretty good to really not much to hunt anymore for upland birds etc...

    Also growing up, they rarely ever did anything in those areas but now it's totally scorched earth philosophy almost so maybe I'm just complaining about the turn around in extremes those areas are now as it used to be so thick you couldn't walk through most of it and now it's mowed to dirt.
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    for 600 people (Westlands Irrigation District) on marginal land (they were losing land to contamination (presumably alkali) in the 1980's!)

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    Question 600 People....

    Actually, all of this is for 600 people and a "S___ Load" of money....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darian View Post
    Actually, all of this is for 600 people and a "S___ Load" of money....
    "S___ Load of money" also known as their 40 year annuity (40 years should some recent favorable legislation pass....)

    And, don't forget that the US Feds are buying acres of land back from Westlands (what could end up being 295K acres); land that is designated as unfit to farm with poor drainage. EXCEPT, Westlands is keeping their water allocation (annuity) for land they no longer own?!

    Instead of spending bazillions to build a canal and bury our SF Bay and Delta ecoysystem, it would appear to be significantly cheaper to buy out the land and return the water (allocation) to the bay/delta.

    The original intent of the CVP was to support family farms of small parcels of land. Obviously, Westlands conglomerate is hardly the "family farm" envisioned decades ago.

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    Question Westlands....

    Just to clarify, Westlands Water District is a distributor/seller of water. Westlands contracts with federal/state water agencies and other willing sellers to sell. Currently, Westlands has been able to buy water from the Feds/state only on interim contracts. From what I've been reading, most water contracts will expire in 2013 and be up for negotiation.

    Westlands is made up of some of the largest growers in the nation and municipalities within the district. To be a member of the Board of Westlands you must either be an land owner or a representative of a land owner (according to their by-laws). As a result, most or all of the members are lawyers.

    I can't recall which amendment/revision to federal farm legislation it occurred in but during the mid 20th century the emphasis on water allocation shifted to to the definition of a family farm (960 acre parcels). In response, many large farms leased their properties in 960 acre parcels to their ag workers with the understanding that the farm would be managed by the leasor/owner. In an investigation and subsequent litigation by the feds, the leases were determined to be a subterfuge. Later versions of federal farm legislation softened the requirement of 960 acres and we have our current system of water allocations.... Back to square one.

    The point of this is to make sure we aren't just aiming at a water district. Each one of them is made up of the very powerful growers within their districts.
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    Default Top 15 Farms in Westlands - By Water Purchased

    This list is a bit dated..... but I'm listing just to substantiate the farms that purchase water from Westlands as Darian so noted.

    These 'farms' or "growers" represented just the top 15 water purchasers from Westland Irrigation District a few years ago.

    It's unclear which farms are selling off poorly drained soil, but the water allocation still remains the same for Westlands. So..... what will they do with the water when there are no more farms to sell water to ???

    Gee, and we havn't even talked about the Power subsidy that Westland Water District receives too. Yes, it takes a lot of electricity to pump water uphill.....

    Woolfe Enterprises
    Dresick Farms
    Vaquero Farms
    S&S Ranch
    Harris Farms
    Burford Ranch
    Murrieta Westland Trust
    Tanimura & Antle
    O'Neill Farming Enterprises
    Westside Harvesting LLP (north)
    Stone Land Co.
    Anderson, Dick, and Sons Farming
    Borba Brothers Farms
    Terra Linda Farms II
    Westside Harvesting LLP

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    Reclamation Reform Act of 1982, eliminated the residency requirement for farms, increasing the acreage limitation to 960 acres, and supposedly eliminating the ―leasing loophole, which had provided cheap water to big growers dating back to the 1920s.

    http://www.lloydgcarter.com/files_lg...w%20review.pdf

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    here's a bunch of good information

    http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08307r.pdf

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